Thursday, November 24, 2016

Raven Guard 30K: Official 40K FAQ


The good, the bad and the ugly. 30K is awesome, but like it or not, it's a derivative game of 40K. As such, changes to the 40K rule set can cause major changes to the 30K universe.

So let's take a look at the 40K rule changes in the most recent Official FAQ that impact 30K and in particular, the XIX legion. 

Let's talk about the BIG one first:

1. Q: Using grenades in the Assault phase. Can every model replace their close combat attacks with a single grenade attack or just one model in the unit? Like in the Shooting phase e.g. a unit of 5 Tau Pathfinders charge a Knight. Do 5 Pathfinders make close combat haywire grenade attacks? 
A: Only one model from the unit can attack with a grenade in the Assault phase. Per Warhammer 40,000: The Rules, ‘Only one grenade (of any type) can be thrown by a unit per phase’.

  • While hate this ruling with a passion, I accepting it. So let's talk about the ramifications. First off, Every infantry unit in the game just got worse at tank hunting and units with melta bombs just got NERFED HARD. It's especially a big deal for Legions that are rewarded for being infantry heavy but don't have any anti tank boosting rules. Raven guard would be one of these legions. So Recons, Vets, Assault Marines, Breachers and everything with a krak grenade should really consider a melta bomb Sgt or Powerfists as a SGT weapons. 


This is the NEW infiltrate rule:

Infiltrate:

You may choose to deploy units that contain at least one model with this special rule last, after all other units (friend and foe) have been deployed. If both players have such units and choose to do so, the players roll-off and the winner decides who goes first, then alternate deploying these units.

Units that Infiltrate in this way can be set up anywhere on the table that is more than 12" from any enemy unit, as long as no deployed enemy unit can draw line of sight to them. This includes in a building, as long as the building is more than 12" away from any enemy unit. Alternatively, they can be set up anywhere on the table more than 18" from any enemy unit, even in plain sight. 

If a unit with Infiltrate deploys inside a Dedicated Transport, the same rules apply when setting up their Transport.

A unit that deploys using these rules cannot charge on the first turn. 

Having Infiltrate also confers the Outflank special rule to the unit of infiltrators that are kept in reserve. 

  • Honestly, nothing much changed here, but the language is clearer. 18" if they can see you 12" if they can't. 


THE REST OF THE FAQ:

2. Q: Infiltrate rules state that an Independent Character without Infiltrate cannot join a squad of Infiltrators. Does this mean a squad that is actively Infiltrating or just any unit that has the Infiltrate rule? This matters for things like Outflank (granted freely by the Infiltrate rule) and Infiltrate units that have Deep Strike.
A: An Independent Character without the Infiltrate special rule cannot join a unit of Infiltrators during deployment, whether they are Infiltrating, Deep Striking or Outflanking. They are free to join units as they wish after deployment.
  • GW failed the reading comprehension test on this one... Can an Independent character join a unit with infiltrate if they don't deploy using the rule? It's still unclear. But... read on...
2. Q: Are models with the Infiltrate special rule allowed to not use the rule to deploy and then charge normally in the first turn? 
A: Yes.
  • Interesting. So a unit with infiltrate can chose to not use the rule and deploy normally. Does this mean they are no longer "infiltrators"? Yes? So now I can attack an IC without infiltrate for a squad that didn't infiltrate? Seems reasonable even though it not very clear at all GW...
3. Q: Do Scout redeployment take place before or after the player going second is given the chance to Seize the Initiative? 
A: Before. 
  • So this impacts Mor Deythan. You will be hugely committed in your rhino should you gget seized on. So remember to turn your rhino sideways, so you can hide behind it should it get blown up. Also dozer blades are helpful for scouting through cover, so if you get seized on, at least you have a cover save. 
4. Q: Do weapon special rules that say 'a model equipped with this weapon' or 'this weapon's bearer' take effect even when NOT USED AS THE ATTACKING WEAPON?
A: yes

  • Fringe Case, but this counters for the Fractal Harrow blade should you be using chapter relics

5. Q: How do special rules like Hatred, Preferred Enemy and Monster Hunter work when targeting a mixed unit that contains models your special rule effects as well as models it doesn’t?
A: The rules mentioned are used if any model in the target unit is of the appropriate type.

  • Decapitation Strike just became A LOT better. Raven Guard can now hit retinues and deathstars VERY hard. It's also worth noting this happens in hth, every turn. It's also worth noting that this grants re roll To Hit & To Wound of 1's. So units like Vets with combi flamers are very close to hitting as hard as Mor Deythan when a IC is in a squad. 


6. Gets Hot, Gets Hot and Re-rolls Replace the sentence with the following: ‘If a model has the ability to re-roll its rolls To Hit (including because of BS6+ or the Twin-linked special rule), a Wound is only suffered if the To Hit re-roll is a 1; it may also re-roll Gets Hot results of 1 for weapons that do not roll To Hit.

  • This is great for seekers, plasma guns in decap strike and even plasma pistol Moritats. 

7. Q: Does a flamer firing Overwatch have a maximum range?
A: No.

  • Seems like a fringe case until you start running rending flamer Vets. This happens a lot when they get charged. 

8. Q: If a flyer which is forced to move 18" forwards due to an Immobilized result ends its move over an enemy unit, does it ‘Crash and Burn!’?
A: No. Use the ‘Wobbly Model Syndrome’ rule, clearly indicating where the model’s actual position is on the table.

  • Flier lists rejoice! So you can't kill off fliers by placing models where my flier has to go. Can't wait to drop a bomb on the first person who trys that our dated tactics on me :p


9. Q: Flyers can fire 4 weapons at full Ballistic Skill, can they also fire any additional weapons as Snap Shots like other vehicles?
A: Yes.

  • Interesting, as I was always under the impression you got 4 shots with fliers. Makes my fire raptors and lightnings much more dangerous.

10. Q: Can Super-heavy Flyers Jink?
A: No.

  • What?! Booo. Half the Raven Guard fluff starts with jinking Thunder Hawks...

11. Q: If a Hit & Run roll would take me off the table, do I stop at the table edge?
A: Yes.

  • Nice Clarification as it came up the other day in my angel's wrath list. More importantly, is that you can actually use the table edge to limit the range of your hit and run. 

12. Q: When a model has Furious Charge as well as a power fist, does the 2x Strength modification happen before the +1 Strength modification?
A: Yes.

  • S9 power fists it is on Jumpers. 

13. Q: Does the Preferred Enemy special rule allow you to re-roll Gets Hot rolls of 1 for blast weapons (e.g. a plasma cannon)?
A: Yes.

  • Not sure if there is a scenario for this one, but it would stack with decap strike. 

14. Q: Does a unit that is embarked on a Transport that Jinks also count as having Jinked?
A: No.

  • This will affect us if we miraculously get whisper cutters! :) On a more serious note, this is a very big deal for 40k Raven guard if you use land speeder transports a lot. 

15. Q: Are passengers in Jinking Transports forced to fire Snap Shots?
A: No.

  • See above. 

16. Q: Can a model with both Skyfire and Interceptor shoot at targets that are not Flyers with its full Ballistic Skill when they deploy from Reserve (e.g. Drop Pods)?
A: No.

  • Important rule clarification for mortus dreads and contempotors. You can not shut off Skyfire if you want to use interceptor. It's a big down grade clarification. 

17. Q: Can you clear up exactly which rules stack and how when estimating cover saves? I’m thinking about Stealth, Shrouded, bonuses from cover, units, psychic powers, Venomthropes, Jink, etc.
A: All of the above rules stack with each other (for example, a model with Stealth and Shrouded gains a +3 bonus to their cover saves). The same rule does not stack with itself though (for example, a model that has the Stealth special rule from two sources still only has a +1 modifier to their cover save, and a model that is Jinking and is in cover can only benefit from one of these cover saves).

  • So stick to your stealth + shrouding and you'll be fine ;)

Friday, November 18, 2016

Raven Guard 30K: Super-Heavy Tanks


Another guest post! This time from Parker Reed!

Enjoy ;)

Super-heavies in a Raven Guard List

Typically when you think of the Raven Guard, things like Fellblades and Falchions don’t come to mind. However we know that all of the legions had access to all the different weapons of war, unless you’re a Salamander and want to run phosphex. Now there were Raven Guard super-heavy class tanks and there are great ways to make them great additions to a Raven Guard list.

There are some limitations with us running armor, however. With the Flesh over Steel rule we don’t have the capability to run certain armored Rites of War, though I don’t think we need to do that at all. Certain super-heavy tanks fit right into a Decapitation Strike list as well as Corax could, though filling a different role.

It is important to note the inherent benefits of running a super-heavy tank. Super-heavy tanks benefit from being able to ignore terrain, other than impassible. So no more needing to pay 5 points for a dozer blade! Just roll over or through whatever is in your way. In addition, these things have loads of crew and can take on loads of threats at a time, so they get to fire each of their weapons at a different target! So with that fellblade you can open up that Spartan with your quad lascannons, shoot your accelerator cannon at a group of pesky tac marines running towards your lines and then blow the unit of Red Butchers in front of you away with your demolisher cannon!

I won’t touch on every super-heavy tank that the Raven Guard can take, but I will touch on the main few people will be drawn towards and list their pros and cons.





Legion Cerberus Tank Destroyer:

  • One of the coolest looking, and most underwhelming super-heavies you’ll play. 395 points for basically a beefier Sicaran Venator. In addition it doesn’t fire a set number of time per turn, and there is the possibility of taking damage from even just shooting the weapon itself. Now it is longer range than the Venator’s cannon, but I don’t think it’s worth taking in any list for the Raven Guard.
  • Grade: F


Legion Typhon Heavy Siege Tank:

  • From zero to hero, this is probably point-for-point the best bang for your buck non-primarch LoW out there. 6 hull points, all the benefits of being super heavy, plus a 48” s10ap1 “No cover saves allowed” gun that is a 7” template? YES PLEASE I’LL TAKE 2! This tank is absolutely one of the biggest, “Oh damn I HAVE to kill that thing NOW!” units you can field. It will take heaps of pressure off the rest of your army. I think it pairs extremely well with a mixed alpha strike of drop pods and rhinos in a Decapitation strike RoW. (this is my preferred RG build) This tank also will come in 40 points cheaper than Corax when you throw the heavy bolter sponsons and armored ceramite on it.
  • Grade: A+


Legion Falchion Super-Heavy Tank Destroyer:

  • Everything the Cerberus wishes it was. This is one of the only ways to get D-strength weapons into 30k as well. A 12 hull point monster, this platform screams for the Legion crew upgrade to give it BS4. So starting with that you are at 520 points, which is quite the price tag, to be sure. This thing has 1 job: kill armor and hard targets. 120” gun that is strength D and a 5” template will get the job done most of the time. Hefty price tag that should probably be left for extremely large games at 3500+ points where titans will probably be present. RG typically have better ways to deal with armor than with a super-sized lava gun.
  • Grade: C-


Legion Fellblade Super-Heavy Tank:

  • The super-heavy tank that drew me into loving super-heavy tanks, the Fellblade is sleek and sexy as it is powerful. More guns than a naughty nurse in a Frank Miller graphic novel, this thing is made to shatter enemy lines. Sporting the massive two-barreled Fellbalde Accelerator cannon, a demolisher cannon, two sets of sponson quad-lascannons, a hull mounted twin-linked heavy bolter and a possible pintle mount to make the tank commander feel like he’s making a difference. If every Space Marines were compensating in a vehicle, it’s this one. Unfortunately I think that’s it downfall. Jack-of-all-trades and master of none (think 40k space marines). The accelerator cannon and demolisher cannon bring ways to take out pesky 2-wound terminators with strength 9 and 10 at ap2, but Raven Guard have ways to do that as well.
  • Grade: C+


Legion Glaive Super-Heavy Special Weapons Tank:

  • So this guy’s gun is like a tank portable lightsaber that stretches out 48” from its turret barrel. A 1” wide area for 48” takes s8ap2 hits with the deflagrate rule from volkite making it extra deadly. Sporting side sponson quad-lascannons to back up its crazy main gun, this thing is a threat to be reckoned with on all levels. Only one massive problem with this tank. It is 625 points. BASE. For this reason I am pretty certain I’m not going to field one. It is crazy cool looking though, cheers if you get one and paint it up Raven Guard style
  • Grade: D+


So there are some winners and losers here in the super-heavy tank category when talking about Raven Guard list construction. I will go through a couple different ways to implement them in a list here to offer some perspective. I am not going to do points, but just throw some units down to show how they will work together in a list.

Typhon – Decapitation strike 2500

  • Siege Breaker – arty, hammer, camo, refractor field
  • 2x10 tacticals, blades, vex, tooled sarge in a pod
  • Plasma support squad, tooled sarge in pod
  • 10 Vets – marksman, 2 heavy bolters, sarge w/ fist in a rhino w/dozer & multi melta
  • 5 Mor Deytan w/combi-flamers in a rhino w/dozer & multi melta
  • 2 quad mortars w/shatter shells
  • Apothecary with augury scanner & arty
  • Heavy support squad w/lascannons and tooled sarge
  • Typhon with heavy bolter sponsons and armored ceramite


I think there are some points left over to change the list around to your style. This list will make good use of the Typhon shot when the siege breaker attached to the lascannons and quad mortars open up the transports for the Typhon to blow the elite units away. Mor Deythan and vets move upfield and mop up whats left while the tacticals pod onto objectives and hunker down for the duration. Solid.



Corax and Typhon – Onslaught 3000+


  • Maun
  • 20 tacticals w/blades, vex, tooled sarge
  • 10 tacticals w/vex
  • 10 vets w/weapon master, power weapons, tooled sarge & darkwing
  • 10 mor deythan w/combi-weapons in a darkwing
  • 2x3 grav cannon rapiers
  • Apothecary w/jump pack
  • 10 Dark furies
  • Sicaran – sponsons, ceramite, dozer
  • Venator – ceramite, dozer
  • Typhon – ceramite, heavy bolter sponsons
  • Corax


Though it sounds incredibly dirty to include a crazy good tank with our primarch, it can be a terrifically efficient way to get firepower and localized close combat support into your list. Maun has 20 buddies to guard him, while the other 10 tacs infiltrate onto an objective and hunker down. The 2 darkwings provide the mid-game firepower that the two sicaran tanks and the typhon provide with the grav-cannon rapiers in the early game. Again I’m sorry if that’s too many points I’m just spitballing.

So the two example lists were with the Typhon, but it is my favorite and I am a tad bit biased towards it. I think the stats speak for themselves that it is the clear choice for effectiveness in the super-heavy tank talk.

What is your favorite super-heavy tank and why? I love tactic talk.

Victoris Aut Mortis.